So just to bug Tenzin and any other atheists I put this here.

So anyone interested in putting in a little in put about the subject should post here.

I am really itching for this to go down. ;P

I am a Christain btw just so you all know.

i think that everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and we shouldn't debate them so no one gets upset =D kthxbye

Really?

If me and you went to a shooting range and you knew everything about guns. Everything there was to know about them. Models how to load and unload, etc, And I had no idea what to do... I was completely clueless and I held the gun up but the barrel was facing my chest...

You would just watch me and let me shoot myself?

"I mean... That is what he believes... And I don't want to offend him... It is his right to believe what he wants and I don't want to challenge him on it... What if he gets upset?!?"

Please let us be real. You don't want to debate and be upset on your fragile beliefs don't look. Simple as that. (I am not being mean... Just being real and frank. People that do the 'let us not talk about it cause...' is a pet peeve of mine.' )

I would gladly watch! Just kidding.

Back on topic...what do you want me to say?
It's not like my minuscule words will penetrate your head.

And that's the weakest arguement in the world. It's just being arrogant, and proving that same point about yourself. 'Well, since i obviously know everything about the entire universe. I might as well not even try to convince these people otherwise. Because they are so ignorant that my imponderable knowlege will never breach their wall of insensibility.' All that does is say that you are not willing to accept anything but your own ideals. It's hypocritical.

That is exactly what I meant. -.-

I don't worry about other people's beliefs if they don't want to believe in god and they go to hell for it then there is no one to blame but themselves.

I did not say what i said because of what i believe, i said it because this is only gonna lead to bad things, you may believe what you want. And if you don't care about others beliefs then why create this thread ?

here il do it for you.



People who believe in christantiy believe in certain things, like god if i'm not mistaken.

Atheist people do not believe in god


there you go, you can debate that all you want, but what you shouldn't be debating is which is right or wrong, everyone should be able to believe what they want and practice what they want.

Avatar. So you are saying with that statement...

"but what you shouldn't be debating is which is right or wrong,"

You are saying there are no moral absolutes with that sentence, right? Just so we are all clear?

And Tenzin, Taro was talking about you. Just so you know.

Ryota read my first response to the avatar. You will see why we can't do that...

So Tenzin how bout it? Me and you. I promise it won't last that long. ;P

I know he was talking about me...?

My point was that we're wasting time.

We are not wasting time.

We are having a friendly discussion talking about points of life.

It is not a waste of time. And I want to see what you say.

Im a satanist...

your an idiot.

and your great, thank you

In my view, God will not prove your worthy of going to heaven, if he does exist, by whether or not you believe in him or not.

I believe your ticket is happiness and living life to the fullest.

God has given us no reason to believe, has he? No hope, our loved ones pass away, fear, no reason to believe.

He can't expect anyone to completely believe.

Religion is a choice, but the real fate is after you die.

I believe when I die I'll be dead, a total black out.

Alright Lei...

Why don't you tell us how we got here?

From the very beginning...

that's not how its works lei god wont send you to heaven just for being a good person. You have to be saved and baptized, and believe and love him without any doubt in your heart. you can be the best saint on this earth but if you deny him in your heart then he will deny you.

Ryota... Tact.

you cant have tact when dealing with faith its simple if you don't have faith in god and turn your back on him he will do the same to you. Its not sugar coated in the bible so why should I have to, it says it plain and simple.

At some points I agree with you. Frankeness is the only way to go. But we are not talking faith here. We have already established it takes a certain amount of faith for a god or not a god. And we are moving past that. Also certain people can take that well, and others can't/won't. You have to know the audience before you start shouting down people. Look at Paul when he gave arguement for what he believed, versus just telling them frankness.

But we have moved past that and are now setting up the scientific debate. Lol. And not to be cocky, that is more my field. I am setting up the arguement part. Lol.